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DesolataX · #11 (**permalink**) 05-02-2007, 10:36 PM

I am not a scientist, but I do have an above average knowledge of science. Finished Chem 11/12, Bio 11/12, Physics 11/12, But the one thing that astounds me, is that science essentially proves that there is a God. For example, Pi never repeats itself (except there is one instance of a palindromic repetition, but that isnt a true repeat), Pi is an amazing number, so simple, yet so complex, The golden triangle, even a tree. Look outside your window and look at a mountain or something, how is it possible that there isnt a God of some sort? Look how the weather works, how the food chain works, and if you take one small thing from the environment, such as the squirrels all die out, that entire area changes immensly. How can you not think that there is some sort of higher being? The earth didn't happen by accident, it's more likely for me to fart, blow up my house, and for the debris from my house to create a car that never needs maintenance, fuel, and does not put out any emissions. That would be awesome, but will never, ever happen. I'm a christian and I don't see any conflicts with cold hard facts of science and christianity. With theory's you can say what ever you want, if I said I had a theory that I was the richest and most powerful man on earth, I could believe it all I wanted, but that doesn't mean its true. Science has planted my faith firmer in God, it's amazing what he has done for us, and how amazing this world is. It didn't happen by accident during some big explosion.

Jarrod · #12 (**permalink**) 05-03-2007, 03:10 AM

I am amazed at the intelligent inputs (minus a couple of posts), of the members of PSP3D.

In my opinion, Science and Religion co-exist. Religion may very well have created science.

Question: Does a man who lives his entire life, while following Christian values, yet doesn't believe in God, ascend to heaven after his demise?

jcoolkatzerg · #13 (**permalink**) 05-03-2007, 03:57 AM

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In my opinion, Science and Religion co-exist. Religion may very well have created science.

It didn't directly create western science (I'm not familiar with the Eastern philosophies in relation to modern science, sorry), but it created the two foundations for science, logic and mathmatics, in Ancient Greece. Logic was formed from the speculation on why the gods acted the way they did. Socrates is the most famous because of his "Socratic Method" of teaching by questioning everything. This led to the development of the foundation of logical thought, now known as "two-term" logic, the terms summed up as follows:

All P are Q
All P are not Q
Some P are Q
Some P are not Q

Later, these were combined into the more modern boolen logical system with the epressions "if-then," "and," "or," "xor," and "not," expressions which all coders sould recognize. But I have digressed too far. Back on topic.

Religion advanced compelex mathmatics through music. Yes, you read that right, music. Pythagoras created his theories of mathmatics by studying the lengths of strings in relation to thier sounds. He came up with the pentonic scale, a scale of five notes in an octive (roughly the black keys on a modern piano), by giving them the lengths that sounded the best when played together. The reason he chose these was because the Greeks had not developed the concept of the fraction because they did not have a numerical system. These lengths then were used to devise his famous formula, a^2 + b^2 = c^2, which wasn't orriginaly used for right triangles, but instead to create new harmonics for the local festival for the celebration of Apollo!

Callapidae · #14 (**permalink**) 05-03-2007, 06:06 AM

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I am not a scientist, but I do have an above average knowledge of science. Fi...

I disagree. I believe life is an inevability rather than a creation. The earth as it is today is the result of life. Life essentialy 'made' the atmosphere as it is today via respiration. Than as life 'needed more room' I guess you could say, It adapted to live on land. I dont consider life as a miricale, rather a combonation of baisic elements and conditions (Urey).

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Question: Does a man who lives his entire life, while following Christian values, yet doesn't believe in God, ascend to heaven after his demise?

Personal Beliefs aside, yes. Christanity, from what I know, is about living in virtue, not what you believe in. So as long as the man lived a life moraly exceptable he should 'ascended into heaven'.

Gamer420 · #15 (**permalink**) 05-03-2007, 11:47 AM

Well it is all depending on which religion u believe in. A scientist can be both religous and a scientist at the same time. But whether or not u goto heaven, it will on depend on which religion u r. And whether u believe in heaven or hell. So in otherwords, if u r a scientist depending on religion u may or may not goto hell. It varies a lot. But in all u can be both. And still make it in heaven depending on the religion.

theaceoffire · #16 (**permalink**) 05-03-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DesolataX

It didn't happen by accident during some big explosion.

I assume your referring to the Big Bang?

Nifty note about that: A bunch of scientists consider the Big Bang likely, but that STILL doesn't tell us enough...

See, we can make a very good guess for when the Big Bang finally expanded, but not how long that took, or what happened before...

My understanding is that at one point, all matter and dark matter, along with time and space, existed within one point. However, that point CONTAINED time (I am a little fuzzy on this), which means that it could have existed for an instant or forever... we can GUESS what happened before that, but we have no real idea.

O.o the Big Bang. Neat.

^_^ OH, and look up neutrinos some day. Particles moving at (Or darn close to) the speed of light, who (I think) have mass! Although that was a recent thing, originally they were assumed to be massless...

Anywho, neat.

Michael M. · #17 (**permalink**) 05-20-2007, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DesolataX

The one thing that astounds me, is that science essentially proves that there is a God. For example, Pi never repeats itself (except there is one instance of a palindromic repetition, but that isnt a true repeat), Pi is an amazing number, so simple, yet so complex, The golden triangle, even a tree. Look outside your window and look at a mountain or something, how is it possible that there isnt a God of some sort?

Nonrepeating decimals work quite well without the existence of a deity.

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Originally Posted by DesolataX

Look how the weather works, how the food chain works, and if you take one small thing from the environment, such as the squirrels all die out, that entire area changes immensly. How can you not think that there is some sort of higher being?

The processes of nature are not surprising. They act in the only way they can given the conditions of our planet.

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Originally Posted by DesolataX

The earth didn't happen by accident, it's more likely for me to fart, blow up my house, and for the debris from my house to create a car that never needs maintenance, fuel, and does not put out any emissions. That would be awesome, but will never, ever happen.

Nothing about the Big Bang or evolution ever makes the claim that it's accidental.

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Originally Posted by DesolataX

I'm a christian and I don't see any conflicts with cold hard facts of science and christianity. With theory's you can say what ever you want, if I said I had a theory that I was the richest and most powerful man on earth, I could believe it all I wanted, but that doesn't mean its true.

Quite right. But then it's not a theory. Theories are testable and falsifiable. Your theory would be instantly falsified the moment it was tested. It's just a hypothesis, and a poorly-informed one at that.

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It didn't happen by accident during some big explosion.

And no scientist will ever claim it did.

On Science and the Faithful

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Originally Posted by St. Augustine

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although "they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion." (1 Timothy 1.7)

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My understanding is that at one point, all matter and dark matter, along with time and space, existed within one point. However, that point CONTAINED time (I am a little fuzzy on this), which means that it could have existed for an instant or forever... we can GUESS what happened before that, but we have no real idea.

Technically, nothing could happen before the big bang, because time came into existence at that point. There was no before.

Time is just a dimension or set of dimensions. Much like space was contained in the singularity, so was time. The larger the universe gets, the slower time moves.